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[radarerror31]

Hi... I've held off introducing myself.  Thanks to Biscotti for bringing me awareness that this forum existed.  I'm glad I'm not alone.

I'm 34, male, and I've grown disgusted with all things sexual over time.  I wasn't always like this, but I've always had a sense that something was wrong with sexualism even though for a long time I was addicted to masturbation / porn.  I have never been with a sexual partner and I certainly don't want that now.  I think of all the time I wasted in my 20s thinking about sex and hate myself for being that way.  Fortunately around my 30th birthday my sex drive diminished and I've come to the point where I'm no longer destroying myself, and have a much healthier outlook on life since I've accepted antisexualism.

I really think that, given the conditions of this world, there will be a lot more antisexual people as time marches onward; I don't know how people are going to be able to justify sexualism when the degrading effects are well known, and we are clearly able to conceive of a non-sexual alternative for reproduction within a reasonable time (not that technology would be necessary - people from many centuries ago understood sex as something inherently degrading and would have jumped at any alternative that wasn't so messy).  There's also the anti-natalist argument, and the argument that reproduction (or even the impulse to live) really can't be justified as inherently good or necessary without some asinine appeal-to-nature argument.

There is so much I want to say but I don't know how to word it exactly, at this point.  I'll be happy to respond to any questions from people here about my perspective and experiences, though I won't answer some things that are better left to myself.

[SCH0206]

Hey! Welcome to the forum.

[Nachtleuchten]

Welcome to the forum! 

You do make me shudder:

There's also the anti-natalist argument, and the argument that reproduction (or even the impulse to live) really can't be justified as inherently good or necessary without some asinine appeal-to-nature argument.

Though I already had this discussion, basically, with Biscotti, and it's no use reproducing it here; I'm staunchly anti-antinatalist. I hate pessimism about life as much as the degrading effects of sexuality. 
But let's live along with dissensions. There is a common ground of understanding anyway.  

[Bobbb1]

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[radarerror31]

Welcome to the forum! 

You do make me shudder:

There's also the anti-natalist argument, and the argument that reproduction (or even the impulse to live) really can't be justified as inherently good or necessary without some asinine appeal-to-nature argument.

Though I already had this discussion, basically, with Biscotti, and it's no use reproducing it here; I'm staunchly anti-antinatalist. I hate pessimism about life as much as the degrading effects of sexuality. 
But let's live along with dissensions. There is a common ground of understanding anyway.  

I'm not a strict anti-natalist, as I consider the argument of avoiding suffering or seeking pleasure to be a bad one and a judgement that people are not able to make for others in all honesty.  (I've certainly heard enough people judge me as "life unworthy of life", even though despite everything that has happened I'm not so miserable.  I don't like how my life is going and my status within society, and a lot of people take that as self-hatred and having a poor image of myself, when all I'm doing is saying how others have treated me and where I stand in relation to the rest of the world.)  Mostly I can't see how anyone can justify life as something intrinsically good or desirable, and thus human beings ought to act on their biological imperatives... to me this worship of biological nature can only lead to fascism, which is certainly why fascist regimes and neo-fascists use sexual imagery and propaganda to promote themselves.

[Nachtleuchten]

I've certainly heard enough people judge me as "life unworthy of life"

Nobody has any right to judge life unworthy. How does anybody dare claiming that right? - Anyway, you have very much worth for us, my friend   Anti-sexuals (and be what it may the particular definition they assign to it) are a small, a tiny lot. They can't afford losses. Keep going, you're the type of person that is needed in this world !

I confess I do judge life inherently good. Something, in my book, is better than nothing. I'm assuring you this kind of thinking does not incline me to fascism 

[Bobbb1]

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[radarerror31]

I've certainly heard enough people judge me as "life unworthy of life"

Nobody has any right to judge life unworthy. How does anybody dare claiming that right? - Anyway, you have very much worth for us, my friend   Anti-sexuals (and be what it may the particular definition they assign to it) are a small, a tiny lot. They can't afford losses. Keep going, you're the type of person that is needed in this world !

I confess I do judge life inherently good. Something, in my book, is better than nothing. I'm assuring you this kind of thinking does not incline me to fascism 

Well, it makes sense that people would naturally prefer living to dying.  It is their instinct, and I would assume most people have some sort of natural empathy for other life.  The problem I have is with people who take their natural instincts and use them as an excuse for some ideological nonsense, usually as a way to deprive other people of life and freedom because "nature demands it" - the obvious offender being the eugenics ideology, which is still going strong today despite the lie that eugenics was destroyed with Nazism.  What I found is that there is no way to divorce the sex instinct from fascoid tendencies, which is why like I said fascist ideology is loaded with sexual imagery - I've seen this up close with fascists recruiting "incels" and their repeated nature-worship in various forms.

[Admin]

Welcome! I'm happy that becoming antisexual has helped you so much! It must have been so isolating not knowing of a community like this for so long, and it's sickening that you've been judged so harshly. I don't see life itself as inherently good or bad, but I hate that so many people are born to suffer, and that to have biological children is seen as being more noble than adopting any of the millions of children without homes. I know where you're coming from with those "nature demands it" arguments, because I've faced them myself,  along with "it's honorable" argument.

Challenging those arguments and tearing them down is what drew me to the antisexual community years ago.

[xenosimiana]

Welcome! I'm sort of in-between when when it comes to life and nature as inherently good or bad, but I do have a slight lean towards the "bad' part. A good aspect though is that our minds ability to allow for a bit more freedom of choice, a little more sentience and sapience compared to other - if not most - animals but it can also be a "curse" too so to speak.

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