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Post by Aztec12 on Mon Aug 07, 2017 10:07 pm

You know I think antisexual are less likely to shame other for sex then sexual because sexual shame lots like body shaming and partner shaming and sexual coercion and virginity and all sorts of shaming.
so do you think it's okay to shame as antisexual and are WE the actual hate group? I don't know

Religious people may too tend to shame the most but they are truly also sexual for they only wait until there married so they do have sex.

At the same time as an antisexual I don't want to shame others but I also don't want to Be shamed on for my beliefs ethier. 

Prosexua may also shame too.

So why? which is in the wrong when it comes to Shaming? which is worse? Do we really even shame at all because I don't think we do I think it's the sexual that do that to themselves.
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Post by Aztec12 on Mon Aug 07, 2017 10:17 pm

Wait does that mean the name antisexual is hated because of sexuals shaming sexuals?
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Post by Biscotti on Mon Aug 07, 2017 10:29 pm

I personally do not harass. Meaning I do not target someone to attack repeatedly on personal terms for the intent of hurting them, when they clearly do not want to be talked to like that and when they're own actions don't hurt anyone. I don't believe that accomplishes anything, and it's true that "their own private actions don't affect anyone else".

That's what I believe constitutes harassing. I still am comfortable "attacking" (More like criticizing) a person personally if it's constructive criticism and they seem open to criticism and willing to defend/discuss ideas. And I don't believe we should go soft at all on people who's actions DO harm others, or turn an eye on those whose actions COULD hurt others.

And idealogically and politically, I will shame (Talk down on) sex and sexual notions. I view political movements as partaking in a discussion. Not a targeted campaign to harass people.

These are my rough guidelines for myself. As long as your motives aren't held up in trying to feel superior relative to the other person, I feel will help hold it in perspective. For me it is less about some rulebook, and more a social sense.
A notion I used to have when I was younger was that, "If what I'm saying is not true, then you have no reason to be offended". But I've heard people criticize that notion.
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Re: Sexual Vs Antisexual Shaming

Post by tygersongbird on Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:39 am

The only reason we are hated as a group is because the majority worships sex, and we are looking to thwart that. That's why we are hated. Every group shames the others in a sense, but we are hated because the people just would worship sex. They would drink their own urine if it meant I got to have sex with some 'hot' person. It's ridiculous.

Personally, I think the only way that antisexualism would ever make group would be to field culture and engage it, which would include public relations. If it isn't grounded in that, then yeah, we will be the hate group looking to be their "killjoy". It's how it will go.

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Re: Sexual Vs Antisexual Shaming

Post by SCH0206 on Thu Aug 10, 2017 12:58 pm

Many sexuals are also quite hypocritical when it comes to privacy. They say things like "Don't judge." or "Keep the state out of the bedroom." Then, they stick their noses in others' business to find something to shame them about. Something can be private, or it can be public. You can't have your cake and eat it, too.

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Post by Hate100 on Sun Aug 13, 2017 1:45 pm

Antisexuals are less likely to shame others for sex?! Ha ha you're kidding right? Well,if religious people have a reason to shame others for having premarital sex then I as an antisexual have a bad opinion about them,no matter what type of sex they're having or when.I just hate it all.   
What you're saying doesn't make any sense to me.

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Post by Aztec12 on Sun Aug 13, 2017 10:16 pm

Yeah I made this a lot more complicated then I thought I did. But SCHO206 got my point.
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Re: Sexual Vs Antisexual Shaming

Post by xenosimiana on Tue Aug 15, 2017 10:44 pm

Yeah it's extremely hypocritical on sexuals end, and that's why I have difficulty taking - if I was to quantify it - 90% of what they say seriously/rationally. Me personally, I think we have a slightly better position than they do when critiquing sex because simply were outside of it for the most part. I don't entirely agree with people saying what they do in private doesn't affect other people, to me it's unrealistic most of the time because it always expresses itself in some form. Like porn and boatloads of kids ppl have difficulty caring for. As I said before, I don't have too much of a problem with people seeing me as shaming their perversions they interpret as pleasure and love, they do it to each other so, but why do they act so brand new when it happens?

I'm with Biscotti on me not looking to harass people, but I will defend myself, critique it and if engaged in a conversation, most of the time I'll share my views.

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Post by SlagToccata on Sun Mar 25, 2018 11:37 pm

I'm mainly just worried about the impact it would have on people I care about, which is ultimately nothing more than arrogance on my part. I more try to gradually nudge people in the right direction than make blatant statements or shame them, but maybe an aggressive approach would be more effective after all. Still not sure.

If I ever mention my attitude toward it online (I don't IRL for the time being,) the consensus is usually that I'm an incel in denial or a religious fanatic. Unfortunately those seem to be true in a lot of cases from what I've gathered, so while they're wrong that those are the only reasons one might be sex-negative, I can't exactly fault them for thinking so.
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Post by SCH0206 on Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:02 pm

@SlagToccata wrote:
If I ever mention my attitude toward it online (I don't IRL for the time being,) the consensus is usually that I'm an incel in denial or a religious fanatic. Unfortunately those seem to be true in a lot of cases from what I've gathered, so while they're wrong that those are the only reasons one might be sex-negative, I can't exactly fault them for thinking so.
I would actually have to disagree with you. The people who make those comments are totally wrong.

For one, while some incels would make sex-negative statements, how do people know you're one of them? I find it a real pet peeve when people act as if they can read minds, especially when they're off the mark. It's obvious that they don't want to really know you; they just want to jump to conclusions. 

About religious fanatics: They're not against sex per-se; they're just against it outside of marriage. Antisexuals have antipathetic viewpoints towards sex whether or not it's within marriage. Many of us are even against romantic relationships and champion platonic ones.

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Post by xenosimiana on Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:27 pm

@SCH0206 wrote:I would actually have to disagree with you. The people who make those comments are totally wrong.

For one, while some incels would make sex-negative statements, how do people know you're one of them? I find it a real pet peeve when people act as if they can read minds, especially when they're off the mark. It's obvious that they don't want to really know you; they just want to jump to conclusions. 

About religious fanatics: They're not against sex per-se; they're just against it outside of marriage. Antisexuals have antipathetic viewpoints towards sex whether or not it's within marriage. Many of us are even against romantic relationships and champion platonic ones.
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Post by SlagToccata on Mon Mar 26, 2018 6:26 pm

I'm just the type that prefers giving the benefit of the doubt and accepting the flaws in both sides. Like I said, I think they're wrong too. On the other hand, if someone on the internet is talking about how worthless sex is, it's not all that ridiculous from their perspective to assume the person is currently upset over an incident related to it. I know religions all have their own particular rules for when it's "right" and when it's not, and with a sizable slice of the English-speaking Internet population affiliated with an Abrahamic faith, there are bound to be a handful that try to push those values when they see the chance. In short, we're a smaller group than salty virgins and die-hard Catholics.
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Post by Admin on Mon Mar 26, 2018 8:01 pm

@SlagToccata wrote:I'm mainly just worried about the impact it would have on people I care about, which is ultimately nothing more than arrogance on my part. I more try to gradually nudge people in the right direction than make blatant statements or shame them, but maybe an aggressive approach would be more effective after all. Still not sure.

If I ever mention my attitude toward it online (I don't IRL for the time being,) the consensus is usually that I'm an incel in denial or a religious fanatic. Unfortunately those seem to be true in a lot of cases from what I've gathered, so while they're wrong that those are the only reasons one might be sex-negative, I can't exactly fault them for thinking so.

I'm sure a lot of people assume that, because the idea that someone can be completely happy without sex is unthinkable to them, and may be unaware that it's possible. The assumption they make is that everyone wants sex. It's hard to challenge those claims alone.

Everyone hears about people who say negative things about sex and relationships, because those people usually want them, but are having a hard time with finding them. It's a defense mechanism for some people who want sex or romance to claim to write them off, which is why we have to heavily emphasize that we're about choosing to never have sex, and not wanting to change.

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Re: Sexual Vs Antisexual Shaming

Post by SlagToccata on Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:44 am

Basically. It's a shame those people don't go all the way, especially considering how acute their suffering tends to sound, but social customs are a scary thing. Heck, for a while even I thought I'd at least enjoy putting it in someone now and then just because everyone (and the mainstream media, of course) talked about how great it was. I wonder how many of those people would be swayed in our direction if they just thought outside the box (maybe thanks to a banner ad from us?).

(On another note, think you could move this to the right section? It's bugging me.)
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Post by xenosimiana on Wed Mar 28, 2018 3:02 pm

I agree, but it's extremely annoying when you clearly explain with disclaimers the reasons why you're saying what you're saying for people to ignore them and reinterpret shit or try to be I guess you can say an armchair psychiatrist. For me, it shows how hard-headed and stupid people are, how many times does someone have to say the same thing over and over? It's frustrating at times.

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